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UAE

According this this article, the UAE opperates these as well.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019822425_apmliranusdrone.html\

=//= Johnny Squeaky 16:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Believed to be

I have removed the statement twice that an uav show by Iran in an image is "believed to be" a commercial available version, this is pure speculation and clearly not encyclopedic. Please if you want to add it then it really needs a reliable source, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Iran as a user?

I doubt that Boeing/Insitu have sold this to Iran... If they've produced their own domestic version by reverse engineering, then it needs to be its own section and removed from this. Its not correct/scholarly to list customers of a company when we all know that the company never sold a product to them (capturing 1 drone doesn't count). I'm going to remove it for now until something can be said for its defense. Johnsmithy678 (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures of Iranian production lines

I think the pictures released by Iran do deserve a mention, as they show that they are indeed trying to reproduce the drone on a mass scale (even if no one knows whether it can actually fly)...

The references, however, might certainly be improved. Maybe the best would be to upload one of these pictures? (I don't know how to do that on wikipedia...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vheld (talk • contribs) 13:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet

The specifications in the TCDS Q00017LA [1] for the ScanEagle X200 differ in some respects from those quoted in the article, this may be a civilian/military difference or differences for the X200 version. Is it worth a mention anywhere ? MilborneOne (talk) 21:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Lithuania is current (not potential) ScanEagle user

Hi,

please correct, because:

a) there is a statement that Lithuania already has ScanEagle UAS:

The Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), Patuxent River, MD intends to negotiate and award a sole source, Firm Fixed Price (FFP), Delivery Order under Basic Ordering Agreement (BOA) N00019-12-G-0008 with Insitu Inc., 118 E. Columbia River Way, Bingen WA, for launch and recovery equipment (LRE), related technical information, and operation center (i.e., call in) technical support for the previously procured Scan Eagle unmanned air systems for the Lithuania Ministry of Defense.

b) here is a video showing Lithuanian military operating ScanEagle UAS (start from 19:45):

http://www.lrt.lt/mediateka/irasas/157242/karines_paslaptys

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.75.247.226 (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: WITHDRAWN. Wrong venue. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Boeing Insitu ScanEagle → ScanEagle – Per first sentence at WP:PRECISE: "Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that." (emphasis mine) Google Search for "scaneagle -boeing -insitu -unmanned -drone -uav" strongly suggests that there is nothing else of any significance called "ScanEagle", so "Boeing Insitu" is not required for disambiguation. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support as requester. ―Mandruss ☎ 10:05, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose current article name meets the convention agreed at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft). MilborneOne (talk) 13:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MilborneOne: As I read them, the sum of WP:PRECISE and WP:CONLEVEL appears to be that a project can set such conventions if "formally...approved by the community through the policy and guideline proposal process." Can you point me to the formal community approval for the convention you cited? It would seem useful to add that link to that page as well. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:35, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I am not doing alphabet soup stuff today, this is the consensus view of the aircraft project if you think this article is an exception to that consensus then so be it, you have made your case above. MilborneOne (talk) 16:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you don't understand my comments. I don't think this article is an exception to the project's consensus. Unless there is a documented formal community consensus (the project is not the community), the project's consensus appears to "have no more status than an essay" (from CONLEVEL). If the project wishes to seek that community consensus at this time, I will gladly withdraw this request. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I do understand but this is a discussion on your proposal to move this page it has nothing to do with the status of any such consensus, if you have an issue with that then raise it on the related talk page. I oppose the move based on project consensus, how that was achieved is not relevant to this discussion, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:55, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AIRCRAFT have been notifed of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft#Boeing Insitu ScanEagle MilborneOne (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - we have a long standing consensus on WikiProject Aircraft to use "manufacturer-designation-name", a system that has stood the test of time in preventing a hodgepodge of odd common names and is in accordance with the way aircraft are named in other standard subject references, like Janesa. To break this consensus this really should be discussed at the project level, not on a one-off case. - Ahunt (talk) 16:55, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, per Wikipedia policy, the project consensus should be discussed at the community level, and it should be made clear that the project seeks an exception to title policy including, but probably not limited to, WP:PRECISE. "This is the judgment of the project and it's how it's been done for a long time" is not a policy-based argument, and it's unlikely to outweigh CONLEVEL on this (unless I overestimate the role of policy in move requests). You can cite WP:CONSENSUS, but CONLEVEL clearly says that the project consensus alone is not enough to override general title policy. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect I am starting to repeat myself but this is about your request to move, you state your case and others agree or disagree. If others quote a consensus then it is up to the closing admin to way the arguments. The consensus could be a couple of blokes in a pub, members of a project or everbody on wikipedia but how that was achieved is not relevant to this discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 17:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Super Stong Oppose - The current title meets the WP:AIR/NC naming conventions for aircraft to use "manufacturer-designation-name" (M-D-N) format. In fact, the aircraft now has a US military designation, MQ-27, but it is not well publicized at this point. - BilCat (talk) 17:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - Per WP:MOSAT, explicit conventions are allowed, and the aircraft project's conventions are listed in the {{naming conventions}} listbox at the top of the Wikipedia:Article titles page. So these conventions do have de facto approval of the WP community, even is de jure approval was never achieved in the early days of WP, though it may well have been. If the OP wishes to challenge the right of WPAIR to use these explicit conventions, this specific move request isn't the venue to do it. However, you can request an exception to the guidelines based on some overwhelming common name. But to my knowledge, the only such exception is the Concorde article, and this one is a long way from that level. - BilCat (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll withdraw and go to the proper venue, which will probably be WP:VPP. See you there. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:40, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Now at: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Status of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft). ―Mandruss ☎ 18:03, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what that has to with move requests. MilborneOne (talk) 18:09, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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